PC #103 – A Camino movie?

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I woke up with the fully formed idea for a Camino movie.

And my PGS telling me I should do it.

If this is like any other movie I've done, it will now take a minimum of two years to get it to financing stage. Getting the script right.

Then another two to three years before it hits the screens.

That's how long movies take to make.

You need a great script to attract cast, and you need great cast to attract finance. The film industry works in a very linear manner.

But, the way I'm thinking of tackling it, it will have universal appeal. And hey, I've done the research already!

But, should I do it?

If the film gets made, it will mean more people walking the Camino.

Personally, I've never seen that as an issue.

If the Camino is so transformative and restorative – if it has spiritual and health and social benefits – then why shouldn't more people know about it?

 

 

105 thoughts on “PC #103 – A Camino movie?”

    • Arlene,

      Here’s what I’ve got on my plate right now –

      – I’m waiting for the finance to come through on the Indian honour killing film. Frustrating, but there’s nothing I can do now but wait. The script is in good shape and it’s got a great cast attached.

      There’s a financier in the UK that wants to do the film, and I’m literally waiting on contracts.

      – I have the book now in process for publishing.

      – On the PGS film I now have to make what’s called a “sizzle reel,” which is like a promo reel, to take out to investors. I’ve written the script for that, and the production of that reel should be completed by the end of this month. Then the push for financing really starts.

      – As well, I have been working on a novel for the past five years which now only needs a final polish and it’s done. It’s about modern witchcraft.

      – Also, my university where I’m an Adjunct Professor is going into a joint venture with me to do an online educational series on how to make a movie. That’s been three years in development and negotiation, and that will kick in very shortly.

      – And I have three other scripts that are currently doing the rounds in Hollywood for financing.

      – Then there’s the tour, of course.

      One of the advantages of living in Mudgee, away from Sydney, is that I don’t have any distractions. I can be very productive in a day. I have 20Mb/sec Internet speed, which is about as fast as you can get in Australia, and I do most of my business on Skype.

      And when I need to travel, I travel. I might need to go to the UK soon to tie down the finance on the Indian film, in which case Jennifer and I will then sashay down to Portugal and do a recce run of the tour – lock down hotels, familiarise ourselves with the route, find the best restaurants for Portuguese chicken 🙂 etc.

      I like keeping busy. I go nuts when I’m not busy.

      But one thing I’ve learnt over the years, you have to focus on one thing at a time, and complete it. Like the Camino.

      And when you say you’re going to do something, do it.

      Bill

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      • Whew Bill!

        You truly are a whirlwind.

        A book about modern witchcraft, that sounds like something I would definitely like to read.

        Will you and Jennifer still be doing the recce of the Tour even if it doesn’t coincide with the trip to the UK? While you are looking for the best chicken restaurants don’t forget the best vinho verde as well.

        I agree with keeping busy, but focused. I couldn’t do total retirement, hence the stained glass and mosaic business and the certification for interior design. I like some down time but can’t deal with it when it is every day.

        I believe when people become unproductive as many tend to in retirement, they become old (I certainly don’t want that to happen to me). In other words my belief is to keep going, you must keep going.

        I will be meeting with the owners of the Casa Rurale where I may be creating a mosaic mural on 17 September. If that works out the way I would like it to, I may be staying in Spain after the PGS tour to begin work on that project.

        A very important thing I also believe like you, is keeping my word. If I say I will, I do!

        Arlene

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        • Hi Arlene –

          yes, the novel is called WHITE WITCH: BLACK WITCH.

          I’m hoping it will be finished in about a month. It’s been five years and four complete page-one rewrites.

          I learnt how to write writing that book – that’s one of the reasons why the Camino book was such a fast write for me, even though it’s non-fiction, and vastly different in tone.

          The mechanics of writing a book, whether it’s fiction or non-fiction, is hugely different from writing a screenplay.

          Writing a screenplay is so damn hard. Unbelievably hard. Writing a GOOD screenplay, that is.

          And yes, Jen and I will do a full tour recce irrespective of going to the UK. I think it’s important to do that, so there are no surprises. (Well, there will ALWAYS be surprises on the Camino, and on a Camino tour too, I’m sure, but you know what I mean… 🙂 )

          Your project in Spain sounds fantastic. And what a great idea to stay over and work on it. You lucky thing. You’re right, you have to stay productive, otherwise you quickly wither and die.

          Bill

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  4. I’m thinking about how many creative new things Bill has spawned from his one Camino – a blog followed by thousands, a touring company and now a movie. There seems to be no end to his talent.

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    • Wow again you have left me speechless, Sister. Wow!

      And Bill, you Wow as well! Your brain must be going 24/7. No wonder you can’t sleep. 🙂

      As for the movie Bill just go with your PGS and let it lead you, it won’t steer you wrong. Especially if Sister has a role in it 🙂

      Emily xo

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      • Yes Wow, Wow, Wow.

        Bill – go for it. I agree your PGS has sent you here. Follow the path. I can feel your energy from here.

        Sister – I think you need to write a memoir. You are amazing. I’d love to meet you and hear about your life and learn from you.

        I don’t get on here too often now but I love reading everyone’s comments and thoughts. Thanks to you all.

        Donna

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        • Dear Donna –

          I’m with you – I think Sister is amazing too!!

          And lovely to hear from you when you do get on the blog Donna.

          Every now and then some interesting things happen!!

          Bill

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      • Emily –

        you make me laugh…

        It takes a long time to decide to do a movie, because I know it will be at least five years of my life.

        (I have been toying with this idea for a while now, but my PGS kicked me in the butt overnight and told me to get on with it!)

        It “feels” right – like it’s something I’d enjoy doing. And something that could work in the marketplace.

        A film worth doing, because of what it would give back to an audience…

        Bill

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    • Debbie, I think young is a state of mind. Did you get that, Bill? I’m not young, and lots of times I feel ill and very old – but I fight myself to move on from that kind of thinking. I have always felt the way I do now. My body ages, but essentially, apart from learning and experience, Im the same as I have always been. We are all as God made us,and that works for me just fine

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  7. Bill –

    Not surprised in the least.

    A bit curious though – but only if you can share. If you cannot, no worries. (I know nothing about the film industry or entertainment in general. Been told that I have a face for radio though.)

    “What’s your hook?” The difference in main arc of your film versus other renderings.

    Brendan

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    • Hi Brendan –

      Sorry but I won’t divulge at this early stage. There’s no copyright in an idea, only the manifestation of that idea – that is, a screenplay.

      But my core business is making movies. That’s what I do. And hopefully this next film will get going shortly – the Indian film, called DEFIANT – and I need to generate another screenplay.

      You are right though, every film, every book every piece of IP, needed to have something that differentiates it from other IP of a similar ilk. (IP is Intellectual Property)

      Bill

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      • Got it, Bill!

        Had an inkling that might be the case. I’ve only dealt with IP law in regards to trademarks and patents so thanks for explaining how it works into the copyright arena, at least in your specialty.

        Cheers,

        B

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        • HI Brendan –

          are you a lawyer?

          I’m constantly surprised how similar movies come out at the same time.

          It’s happened just recently with WHITE HOUSE DOWN and the other movie about terrorists attacking the White House.

          People think it’s plagiarism, but I see it differently – I see it as the universe requiring certain stories to be told, and there are people out there that pluck this universe need out of the… universe… and then go make it.

          Many times there are instances where filmmakers think an idea has been stolen from someone else, but it’s just that these people “read” the universe need, and responded.

          Bill

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      • Bill –

        Nope, not a lawyer. I have a lot of work experience dealing with inventions, trademark management and such.

        B

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  8. Hi Bill – fabulous post! ‘Loving all the comments too – especially Sister Clare’s comment ‘Space’ – a single word … says it all!
    Bill – I’m in awe of your energy and your imagination and how you combine the two to make magic happen – whether it’s with a film, a book, the pilgrimage or a blog.
    Cheers – Jenny

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    • Yes, I’m with you Jenny –

      SPACE

      I know we’ve made jokes before about The Flying Nun…

      🙂

      But it does indicate Sister’s expansive view of life!

      And thanks for your kind words – as my wife says, there was a Before the Camino, and an After the Camino…

      Bill

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      • Remember , The sister and I, we want to go via virgin space, you wouldnt have any favours to call in?

        bruja blanca/bruja negro, would love to read y script for obvious reasons.
        Bill just reading this blog entry makes me tired, you feed on adrenaline

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        • Hi Ingrid –

          Virgin Space – now there’s something.

          You think I’m busy? What about Richard Branson!

          I once worked with a multi-muli-millionaire – his name is Dick Smith. In Australia he’s very famous. He financed my first two independent films.

          He was, and still is, a complete dynamo.

          He never finished high school. Self trained. He started off selling car radios when he was 16years old. Soon he was running his own store, which then led to him setting up a huge franchise of electronic stores across Australia and New Zealand. He also taught himself how to fly a helicopter, and flew solo around the world – the first chopper pilot to do so. While he did that he made a series of documentaries of his trip, sold it to free-to-air, and paid for the trip with the license fees!

          He then sold his electronics stores to Woolworths, made more money than you and I can imagine, then he created Australian Geographic – the Australian version of National Geographic. He then set up franchise stores selling Australian Geographic stuff in every major mall in the country.

          I learnt so much from Dick – and we still see each other and have lunch together every now and then – and one of the things I learnt is how to use your time.

          The most valuable thing you own.

          Bill

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  10. Sir Richard B. little change for sure. well lets just put it out to the universe, both in our unique and peculiar ways. 😉

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        • 🙂

          I’ve just been to a funeral here in Mudgee Sister – an Anglican ceremony. A distant relative on Jen’s side of the family.

          I always have so many questions when I come out of these things – an Anglican priest at the service said that dying was not right. That God and Jesus hadn’t set the world up for us to die.

          But I disagree. I think that dying, like birth, is the natural course of our lives. I kept thinking of The Tibetan Book of Dying. And Buddha’s words about the impermanence of all things.

          I think the priest got it all wrong.

          Bill

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          • I agree with you, Bill -your priest was seriously misinformed. Life, death are all part of the divine universal cycle. If “God and Jesus” got it wrong, why was He always teaching about the rewards of eternal life, and the Kingdom of heaven? The idea of Grace is based on us freely accepting Gods Eternal Love so that we can end up in Paradise. How could he get it so wrong? That’s an awful thing to say, and it nurtures an unnatural fear of death,when its the most peaceful, fulfillling and natural transition!

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          • My pleasure, Bill. It really bothers me when clergy or professors, people who should have a grasp of theology, get it wrong and then put their opinions out there like absolute truth!

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          • Hi Sister –

            yes, this fellow went on and on and on – and at a funeral. I thought he was trying to convert us –

            But there were things he said which just seemed all wrong, but no-one else seemed to be concerned.

            I though listen to all these words, and I question everything.

            Bill

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          • I’m the same way, Bill. I can’t let anything slip by if its going to harm anyone – and then I’ll chew on it mentally until I come up with a way to set things right side up. I’ve always found it really difficult to walk away and let someone else deal with a situation. I think it comes from being conscientious and creative at the same time -at least I can certainly see it in you that way.

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          • Hi Sister –

            the anglican priest doing this little speech (eulogy?) at the funeral service was in fact the deceased’s son – so I cut him a bit of slack.

            But if he presents as a priest, which he did, then he really shouldn’t disinform, even if he is grieved.

            The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying, by Sogyal Rinpoche, is a classic. I read it many years ago, and have forgotten most of it, but essentially what it says is that you should live your life in preparation for your death. Which is not morbid, but in fact a celebration of life.

            You’ve probably read it –

            Bill

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          • Not only have I read it, I have a hard copy and another one on my kindle. Truth is truth no matter how we ” classify” it. There are times I think that the face of God is like a prism, reflecting and diffusing the same truth, mystery and insight to the world, no matter which way He is facing. There is more than one aspect to God, the Creator -He puts forth the face and ideas, truths, that are best understood by whatever culture He is facing, so that He can be universally understood. He is wise enough to know that having made us unique, we need more than one culture ‘s way to experience Him.

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          • Sister,

            what you say is so so wise.

            I thought you would have read the book – you have a broad expansive view of spirituality and religion, which is so refreshing.

            And makes you fun to be around!!

            😀

            Bill

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          • And the grieving priest especially needs to present an attitude of understanding that’s in harmony with the faith he represents. Else what kind of a model does he present for grieving members of his parish? When in pain, forget everything God promised us? If he needs a break, which is fine, too -then he should step aside, maybe make a brief eulogy, and let someone with a clearer heart take over until he feels better

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          • hmmm – I don’t mean to be unkind to the poor fellow – he had enormous dignity.

            But I don’t think you should use the death of your mom to carpetbag…

            Bill

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          • I’m not sure if noticing his theology has gone wonky is unkind, Bill. It shows a degree of sensitivity to his suffering, which is what compassion, one of the unifying elements of all faiths, is about. Someone pretending it didn’t happen is also not acknowledging his grief , and that is much more wrong than expressing an empathy between human beings, which isn’t wrong at all!

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          • Well, I found out later the fellow was a brilliant student in his younger years. And I mean brilliant.

            He was a genius in maths, and got a scholarship to Harvard. He lived in Mudgee, which in those years was much more of a backwater than the sophisticated wine town that it is today.

            Anyway this scholarship caused a huge stir – he was simply brilliant at maths. And as so often happens with mathematicians, he claims that God spoke to him, and he forsook the the scholarship and joined the church.

            Fascinating chap.

            Bill

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          • That we all die is a given. That we live each day as if it were the last, not so much so.

            Unlike conventionL societal wisdom, one who dies with the most toys does not win, while one who dies with fewest regrets comes closer to winning.

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  12. Dear Bill, like they all said … WOW a busy man but obviously enjoying every second of the journey (apart from the knee thing!!).

    Sorry to add to your woes, but when I looked this morning, I was not able to open up two of your posts: What I’m Taking and PGS – The Film. Could I have your take on this (so long as it doesn’t take too long- it’s not THAT important) whether it might be WordPress settings or just my computer playing up? Thanks. FYI, I was able to open up the other posts.

    Getting ready to start my trip tomorrow – walking around London for a few days (… am praying for good weather … know it’s selfish, but anyone else want to help me out with some divine intervention, I’ll take it!) and then spending a couple of weeks with my family in Denmark. Not too keen on the snaps, but adore the rye bread and open sandwiches so will probably pile on the weight. Won’t have much of a chance to check out this or other blogs, but my thoughts will always be with you all 🙂

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    • Britta,

      Enjoy your trip. My thoughts are with you hoping for great weather and wonderful times with family.

      Arlene

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        • You will be able to catch up when you return home.
          I am sure I will see you then.

          Adios for now – bon voyage my friend.
          Arlene

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    • Hi Britta,

      The reason you couldn’t open the posts is because my wonderful web designer lady, Natacha, reorganised my blog configuration last night.

      If you have a look at the blog home page, the menus now are consolidated. That’s what happened.

      Sorry for the confusion!

      Are you leaving Oz for London? How fantastic. Then Denmark too?

      How long will you be away for?

      We’ll MISS YOU!

      Bill

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      • Thanks, will go to the home page and work it out from there. Am only away for 3 weeks. Reason for going is that I’m invited to lunch at my brother’s place and since the reason for the lunch is that he recently married his very first girlfriend who he’d not been in touch with for about 45 years… how could I say no and spoil their fun?! The few days in London on the way is pure indulgence for me to have some ‘me’ time and reacquaint myself with London as I’ve not really spent any time there for the last 25 years – so here I come! I’ll miss all of you too 🙂 and not only will I miss out on following Arlene for the first part of her trip, but also our (ie Jenny, Janet et al) friend, Danny, who is writing a blog about his current Camino trip through France – very inconsiderate of them walking just at the time I have to be in Denmark!!! 🙂 Farvel og paa gensyn.

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        • Britta, you’ll have the best time- what fun!

          Can you pls send the link through to the blog on the bloke doing the le Puy?

          In amongst al these comments I can’t find it — sorry.

          Would love to follow it.

          I hope you’ll check in with us from time to time?!

          Bill

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    • Britta, have a wonderful trip. Enjoy London and time with the family. Pop in and visit Mary for a cuppa if you get the chance. 👑 Will add extra prayers as I too want fine weather. Only 10 days until departure. ✈
      Blessings
      Anne

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    • Britta,

      Sending warm, dry weather your way, with cool breezes and lovely night skies! Have a wonderful journey and as for the pounds I’m happy to report they actually came off once I got home, much easier than I imagined! Enjoy yourself and trust your PGS at every turn. Here’s to no blisters, minimal aches and pains and lots of joy and fun!!

      XOXO

      Jill

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  13. Each and every one of you posting here: I just want you to know that I am in awe of your various talents, seriously. We have film makers, model/actress/wanna-be flying nun, artists, and any number of you who could write a book that I would be willing to buy — and read. I am seriously in awe each time I open a new topic. Keep doing what you are doing. A big hug to each and every one of you for expanding my mind and brightening my day. Julie

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    • I absolutely agree Julie.

      There are some extraordinary minds, with some extraordinary life experiences, contribute to this blog if not daily, then regularly.

      I learn each day.

      Bill

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      • Hi Sister, we are doing really well, but the 30 km today from Logrono to Najera has left us very tired. But we are loving it. Thank you for your prayers. The churches yesterday in Viana and today in Nazarrette were both stunning inside, very holy and humbling. My Carmelite nunn aunt is also sending us prayers, so we are doubly blessed. Thank you, Maggie and Peter

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      • Thanks Bill, every day has it’s challenges, but what a journey! Today walking through beautiful villages with stunning churches and so many vineyards in La Rioja. 30 km gives you great perspective, doesn’t it? Maggie and Peter

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  15. Great !!!

    Writing fictional prose is MUCH harder than writing non-fiction, but yeah, having a novel nearly under your belt would clearly have made the PGS book much easier than it would have been otherwise.

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    • I agree Julian – writing fiction is infinitely more difficult (for me, at any rate) than writing non-fiction.

      Interestingly, I was talking to a literary agent, the head of Curtis Brown here in Australia, and she said that non-fiction, particularly certain types of memoirs, and true crime, sells better than most fiction, and also non-fiction in e-book form can be priced higher.

      Don’t ask me why – that’s just what she said.

      Non fiction, if it’s to be done right, needs to be thoroughly researched.

      A client of this literary agent just got an advance of US$2.7m for a book based on a true crime – it’s called Burial Rites, and I noticed that the NY Times featured it heavily in its recommended summer reading list. That kind of advance is unheard of in publishing nowadays. She spent a long long time writing the book.

      Bill

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  16. Absolutely you should do it.
    But tell it “REAL”.

    I was talking to a lady today about expectations. I came with only three and all were shattered.
    1. There would be shade. nope.
    2. There would be places to sit. …in the shade. Nope.
    3. The Meseta is flat. Nope.

    The lady and I joked that this is no walk in the park….and the only parks we saw where as we entered or left a town.

    Due to a blown calf muscle. …I had to bike from Burgos. …and now my camino will end in Leon. But it was a privilege to bike past walkers. I felt like I was directing my own movie….
    I saw people just smiling……others crying. ….some grunting with pain……some bursting into song……others deep in some internal conversation. I saw new love and people drifting apart. I saw it all….and I had experienced it all.

    Tell it real…like when you have to put on wet clothes in the morning cause you got in too late the day before.

    That the trail is littered with bloodied bandages.
    The other night I was in the shower and trying to scrub the dirt off my legs…..as I was about to draw blood. ….I realized it was my camino tan.

    You can romance the camino with the sun flowers…the vines heavy with grapes…..and thats part of it. ……but its not all.

    Tell it real Bill……just like this blog. …beauty spots and warts.

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    • Abbey, what an extraordinary Camino you’re having!

      And what powerful imagery in your post here.

      When I was preparing for the Camino, I read extensively – books, blogs, I watched videos. And it was like a conspiracy of silence.

      No one really talked about the pain, and how damn hard it was.

      That’s why you’re right Abbey – let’s keep it real!

      😜

      Bill

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        • You know, I was thinking, remembering, some instances when I was walking, and I was thinking – If I wasn’t in so much pain, I would be finding this absolutely stunning…

          haha –

          then there were some times, not many but some, when the pain went away and it was sublime…

          Bill

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    • Abbey, you are EXACTLY right.

      But please don’t stop in Leon — take a rest there, and continue when you’re up for it again.

      Whether that takes 24, 48, or 72 hours — resting is a central part of any pilgrimage, and you’d regret abandoning it FAR more than you’d regret “cheating” by taking a bike ride or just a rest.

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      • Oh Jabba…..Julian
        It saddens me to hear you call me a “cheat”.

        My camino has not been about how far I can walk. For some it is.

        I have been through so much in my life. I have experienced abuse. ..been flung against walls and bullied into attempting to commit suicide. Every thing in my life has been hard.

        But here on my Camino I have found a peace I have never known a contentment that came from learning that I dont always have to do everything hard…..that I have an amazingly strong body and spirit..and its ok to be gentle to it. That I don’t have to arrive at every destination battle weary and scared.

        The other day…I meet a man on the way to Fromista…who had horrible blisters….I helped patch him up. And then….because I was on my bike….I chose to ride beside him for the next two hours…as he battled to walk 5km. He was dehydrated and at one point had to lie down. As we reached his destination. He said…Are you for real or an angel? If I hadn’t of had my bike and being a “cheater”….I wouldnt have been able to help this man.

        Julian…..you have used the word “cheat” and attached that to me….in front of the thousands that read this blog.

        You have humiliated me.

        SISTER thank you for walking with me…I have loved having you there. Im going to say goodbye now ….but I know you will walk into Santiago.

        And Bill……it has been a pleasure. I will keep an eye out for your movie.

        And remember. ….

        Solvitur Ambulando. .

        Good bye

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        • Abbey –

          please don’t leave the blog –

          We all know you to be a most wonderful person – generous and compassionate and big hearted – and you have been walking your Camino with incredible integrity and courage and true spirit.

          I can’t speak for Julian, of course – and I would hope that his was an off-hand comment which he didn’t mean – but we all know what a truly remarkable kind soul you are.

          Personally, I would miss your clean energy if you didn’t show up here anymore.

          I would really feel a loss.

          The Camino strips you bare, leaves you very vulnerable. Know that we love you.

          Bill

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        • Abbey,

          There is no cheating on the Camino.

          How can there be, when you walk with such an open heart?

          I’m sure that Julian wasn’t calling you a cheat, or that he meant to call you a cheat.

          This seems to me like a big misunderstanding.

          We all have enormous respect for you, and as I said in my earlier post, we would miss your clear light energy if you didn’t show up here anymore!

          Bill

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        • Abbey,

          I am sure that Julian did not mean it the way it sounded but only to give you encouragement. Please allow him that benefit of the doubt as it is consistent with other posts he has made on here to be encouraging and enlightening.

          Having said that, only you can determine when you need to call it off. Bill stayed the course, but he is paying a price for it right now and perhaps for a long time, that he never intended to pay. That was the right decision for him. Jill stopped at the half way mark because her foot was hurting so badly that she was concerned about long term damage and it was not worth the risk for her. That was the right decision for her. I thought I would stop when Jill did and went to Santiago with her via bus and train, but then decided I needed to go back and finish, albeit 100 miles short in the middle. I returned to Astorga and finished it without Jill. That was the right decision for me.

          Do what feels right for you and remember, even those that may be well meaning in giving advice don’t get a vote. Only you can make the decision and only you can determine if it is right or not and only you will live with the consequences of that decision, whether good or bad. There is no wrong answer. It is your Camino and I applaud you for being there.

          Please don’t abandon us. You have admitted that you get benefits from this blog as we all do, so do not deny that because you got your feelings hurt. I apologize on behalf of the pgs family and want you to know we all want you to hang with us.

          Steve

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        • Dear Abbey,

          I felt compelled to reach out to you after reading the last few exchanges and can feel the hurt that I believe you are feeling. Your voice, experiences, friendship and love add greatly to this blog and although I have no real knowledge of who you are , my heart knows you are a loving, caring, beautiful being and I am praying you will stay with us and continue to share yourself with us.

          Last evening I was writing about my Camino for the talk I am giving next month. While doing so I began to remember some of the intense feelings that I had during certain parts of the walk and how really powerful the entire experience really is. By sharing your experience with us you are reminding us of that power. We need you and although I can really only speak for myself your voice helps us to heal. Please reconsider your choice.

          Sending love,

          Jill

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        • Abbey,

          Please don’t leave the blog.

          You have added so much to the conversations.

          Please re-consider, but in doing so make the decision on you feel is right. We will all stand by your decision.

          I’m sure I speak for all when I say “sending you love and light”

          Arlene

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        • Julian are you even aware that Abbey has a seriously torn calf muscle.and has even so been riding her bicycle.on the Camino? Did you bother to.find out anything about her walk before you made your sweeping generalisation?

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      • Please, the quote marks around hat word are there for a reason — that’s not what I think at all, and I’m sorry if I’ve unintentionally offended …

        Buen camino !!!

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      • And Abbey, I’m guessing that you really do need that rest — I don’t mean this in any kind of snide or nasty manner, I’ve been through that psychological and physical state myself on the Camino. There’s a certain kind of physical and mental stress at that point, but there’s no point pushing yourself further than you can.

        Lovely story about that help you provided your fellow pilgrim with by the way !!!

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